Olivia Rodrigo’s ‘Sour’ Breakthrough

For the previous few years, there’s been one thing of a pop star vacuum — or no less than, a pop-music star vacuum. By and enormous, performers making centrist, big-tent pop music have been relegated to the sidelines as hip-hop — and different genres borrowing closely from it — took heart stage.

But Olivia Rodrigo, a Disney baby star wielding a nasty breakup and a tart voice, has made pop primal, and first, once more. “Sour,” her first album, simply debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard album chart with the largest gross sales week of the yr.

On this week’s Popcast, a dialog about Rodrigo’s meteoric yr up to now, the lengthy arc of the mainstreaming of emo and the quickening of the maturing of Disney idols.

Guests:

Olivia Horn, who writes about music for Pitchfork, The New York Times and others

Lindsay Zoladz, who writes about music for The New York Times and others