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From allegations that Bill Gates had been approaching to Microsoft workers to the $22.5 million settlement of a gender discrimination swimsuit towards Pinterest, ladies in Silicon Valley are talking out towards what continues to be a male-dominated tradition.
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Ellen Pao was one of many first to do this. In 2012, she sued the enterprise capital agency Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers for gender discrimination. Back then, she says, she was met with skepticism on the very concept that the business suffered from sexism in any respect. Pao in the end misplaced the case, nevertheless it raised a query that hangs nearly a decade later: What will it take for Silicon Valley to change into much less sexist?
In this dialog, Kara Swisher talks to Pao in regards to the “thin skins” and “giant egos” of highly effective folks in tech, how these attributes outline the work tradition of Silicon Valley and why it could take a “perp walk” from a enterprise capitalist or a C.E.O. to see actual change.
(A full transcript of the episode might be obtainable noon on the Times web site.)
Credit…Illustration by The New York Times; photograph by Brian Flaherty for The New York Times
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“Sway” is produced by Nayeema Raza, Blakeney Schick, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong and Daphne Chen, and edited by Nayeema Raza and Paula Szuchman; fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Ben Phelan; music and sound design by Isaac Jones; mixing by Erick Gomez. Special due to Shannon Busta, Kristin Lin and Liriel Higa.