Opinion | Meet Big Tech’s Tormenter in Chief

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Margrethe Vestager and Kara Swisher have one thing in widespread: They each have made it their job to maintain watch on Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, Mark Zuckerberg and the opposite titans of tech. Vestager does this from her publish as the pinnacle of the European Commission’s antitrust division. And whereas Swisher could usually opine on what drives tech C.E.O.s, Vestager says she isn’t in “soul-searching” their motives. She’s centered on catching them in the act — whether or not corporations are sliding from “aggressive tax planning into tax avoidance” or they’re shifting from content material moderation into censorship.

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In this dialog, Swisher and Vestager commerce notes on the ability of tech. They focus on the Group of seven’s current settlement to work towards a worldwide company tax charge. (Vestager thinks she’ll be 150 years previous by the point there’s a worldwide tax authority.) They focus on Facebook’s two-year ban of Donald Trump. (Vestager admits that she’s not an energetic Facebook consumer, however even she was stunned that “one could express oneself as the former president did without any consequences until the very last minutes.”) And they discuss antitrust — about which Vestager is fast to make clear that her level is “not to say that they should be smaller,” however as a substitute that dominant corporations “should take the responsibility that comes with the kind of power you have when you are this size.”

(A full transcript of the episode can be accessible noon on the Times web site.)

Credit…Illustration by The New York Times; by T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times

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