Opinion | Want to Meet an Alien Mind? Befriend an Octopus.

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I’ve spent the previous few months on an octopus kick. In that, I don’t appear to be alone. Octopuses (it’s incorrect to say “octopi,” to my despair) are having a second: There are award-winning books, documentaries and even science fiction about them. I believe it’s the identical starvation that leaves many people craving to know aliens: How do radically completely different minds work? What is it like to be a really completely different being residing in an analogous world? The flying objects above stay unidentified. But the incomprehensible objects beneath don’t. We are beginning to be good sufficient to ask the query: How good are octopuses? And what are their lives like?

Sy Montgomery is a naturalist and the creator of dozens of books on animals. In 2015 she printed the dazzling e-book “The Soul of an Octopus,” which grew to become a finalist for the National Book Award in nonfiction. It’s an investigation not solely into the lives and minds of octopuses but in addition into the relationships they will and do have with human beings.

This was a type of conversations which might be arduous to describe, but it surely was a pleasure to have. Montgomery writes and speaks with an applicable sense of surprise concerning the world round us and the opposite animals that inhabit it. This is a dialog about octopuses, in fact, but it surely’s additionally about us: our minds, our relationship with the pure world, what we see and what we’ve discovered to cease seeing. It will go away you trying on the water — and perhaps at your self — in another way.

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(A full transcript of the episode will likely be accessible noon on the Times web site.)

Credit…Illustration by The New York Times; photograph by Larry D. Moore

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