When Pop Music Trolls Grow Up

Over the previous month, the Top 5 of the Billboard 200 featured debuts by Tyler, the Creator and Doja Cat, two artists who, early of their careers, typically functioned as trolls. They are kids of the web with a style for friction — Tyler because the chief of the raucous, parent-unsettling Odd Future crew, and Doja as an absurdist with a reckless streak.

Now they’re on the middle of pop, and their new albums signify other ways of maturing within the highlight. Doja is a musical centrist, however imbues her songs with sexual friskiness and light-weight camp. Tyler, keen to point out off his reward for straight-ahead hip-hop (a world he’s nonetheless considerably excluded from), has moved on from trolling outsiders to trolling insiders.

On this week’s Popcast, a dialog about how these two musicians have navigated paths from the margins to the middle, and about whether or not, with a purpose to be an efficient 2020s pop star, you should have somewhat little bit of troll in you in spite of everything.

Guest:

Justin Charity, workers author at The Ringer and co-host of the “Sound Only” podcast